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Post by MJH on Apr 25, 2011 22:01:39 GMT -5
So because you dont like them, you dont want to help the competition and allow it to go ahead? Fucking retarded of you, I must say. This is just a fun competition between show matches, and the idea was to promote originality. It was just an easy little thing to get everyone into the competition. Remind me never to reply to your micros again, because I feel micros have been 'played out'. not really the point I was making, I was saying I wasn't interested in frankensteins, half the pieces just look like TXF's template just recoloured, I'd vote if there were actual micros but they're not, and I really don't like frankensteins and couldn't tell you which one I preferred because they all look like a mess to me. I'm happy to vote on most shows but not this one. Don't really see what you replying to my micros has to do with what I said really, if you want to that's fine it wont stop me making them, I'm just giving my reasons for not voting.
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Post by Hurricane on Apr 25, 2011 22:04:49 GMT -5
Yes, but just because you dont like this particular thing, doesnt mean you should ignore the contest. It's just selfish. Like the frankensteins or not, we put effort into making them, and it did have a purpose (winner of the contest gets to pick the elimination match). Even if you think its a mess, you can see parts you like on it, or dont like or whatever, and quickly do a 2 minute vote.
Hell, you probably spent more time typing your reasons not to vote than it would have taken to vote in the first place. This would have been the only frankenstein in the whole competition, and because you didnt "like them" (as well as others not voting, apart from Alex/Gav), the other competitions will not go ahead.
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Post by MJH on Apr 25, 2011 22:17:40 GMT -5
Yes, but just because you dont like this particular thing, doesnt mean you should ignore the contest. It's just selfish. Like the frankensteins or not, we put effort into making them, and it did have a purpose (winner of the contest gets to pick the elimination match). Even if you think its a mess, you can see parts you like on it, or dont like or whatever, and quickly do a 2 minute vote. Hell, you probably spent more time typing your reasons not to vote than it would have taken to vote in the first place. This would have been the only frankenstein in the whole competition, and because you didnt "like them" (as well as others not voting, apart from Alex/Gav), the other competitions will not go ahead. the only reason I bothered posting in this thread was because you were going on about people not voting, trying to guilt trip them into voting, I replied to say why I didn't; not out of laziness. Why should I help something I don't like that makes no sense (it's not just the frankenstein side of it, I don't like any of how MXT is going and want no real part of it tbh), because it means that unpopular stuff will become as prominent as the popular, I like the normal micro shows and I try and vote on them(sometimes I forget or never get round to it) but I want those to continue, I have no interest in seeing this continue after seeing how it went last season and how it's going this season. If you wanna do something and others do too that's fine but don't bitch at people because they didn't necessarily like it too, I'm not gonna go around attacking any micro maker that doesn't join this site, I don't see why I have to contribute to this to keep this board alive AFAIC the shows such as MS13, MS14 etc. are keeping the board alive and I contribute to those, I only replied to say that lack of votes wasn't necessarily out of laziness, because that's not what stopped me from voting on this, I'm not stopping you from continuing this if you want to but you cant pressure people into voting if they dont like it, it seems pretty silly that you made a competition where the majority of people interested were inelligible to vote. You can't force popularity.
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Post by Diablo. on Apr 25, 2011 22:33:06 GMT -5
So it seems silly that Hurricane would make a competition to try help those who are interested? Right-eo, then.
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Post by MJH on Apr 25, 2011 22:36:17 GMT -5
So it seems silly that Hurricane would make a competition to try help those who are interested? Right-eo, then. no that part seems fine but it seems silly to make a competition that's going to rely on votes but then make the people most interested inelligible to voting. Team competitions just wont work on a board this small because the people who want them wont be able to vote.
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Post by Hurricane on Apr 25, 2011 22:50:32 GMT -5
So it seems silly that Hurricane would make a competition to try help those who are interested? Right-eo, then. no that part seems fine but it seems silly to make a competition that's going to rely on votes but then make the people most interested inelligible to voting. Team competitions just wont work on a board this small because the people who want them wont be able to vote. It was this ONE competition where the people couldnt vote as everyone was involved, everyone after that is just matches/smaller contests. Obviously you haven't read the rules to figure that out, since you can't even grasp the god-damned name of the competition. Yes, but just because you dont like this particular thing, doesnt mean you should ignore the contest. It's just selfish. Like the frankensteins or not, we put effort into making them, and it did have a purpose (winner of the contest gets to pick the elimination match). Even if you think its a mess, you can see parts you like on it, or dont like or whatever, and quickly do a 2 minute vote. Hell, you probably spent more time typing your reasons not to vote than it would have taken to vote in the first place. This would have been the only frankenstein in the whole competition, and because you didnt "like them" (as well as others not voting, apart from Alex/Gav), the other competitions will not go ahead. the only reason I bothered posting in this thread was because you were going on about people not voting, trying to guilt trip them into voting, I replied to say why I didn't; not out of laziness. Why should I help something I don't like that makes no sense (it's not just the frankenstein side of it, I don't like any of how MXT is going and want no real part of it tbh), because it means that unpopular stuff will become as prominent as the popular, I like the normal micro shows and I try and vote on them(sometimes I forget or never get round to it) but I want those to continue, I have no interest in seeing this continue after seeing how it went last season and how it's going this season. If you wanna do something and others do too that's fine but don't bitch at people because they didn't necessarily like it too, I'm not gonna go around attacking any micro maker that doesn't join this site, I don't see why I have to contribute to this to keep this board alive AFAIC the shows such as MS13, MS14 etc. are keeping the board alive and I contribute to those, I only replied to say that lack of votes wasn't necessarily out of laziness, because that's not what stopped me from voting on this, I'm not stopping you from continuing this if you want to but you cant pressure people into voting if they dont like it, it seems pretty silly that you made a competition where the majority of people interested were inelligible to vote. You can't force popularity. You still make no sense with what you are saying. Sure, you don't like frankensteins. Thats ONE little contest that was meant to be over in a few days, and lead into the real matches. Who said anything about keeping the boards alive? I simply said that this competition was aimed at helping people, and I can understand what TC said, about not being able to reply properly. But simple seeing the contest and ignoring it is fucking stupid. You dont like how MXT is going? First, its not fucking MXT. Can't you read the title? Second, how do you know how its going? Theres been one little challenge to start it off, NO matches, nothing. It's not even really started. It's not aimed to help you, it's aimed to help others, which is why I've been doing tutorials and stuff personally for people on my team, as well as helping them over PM/MSN. I guess I was a fool to think the creator of the site would want to help more activities, and help the boards become even more active. I totally forgot everything had to cater perfectly to you, even when its not aimed at veterans like you, for you to show interest. Oh well.
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Post by MJH on Apr 25, 2011 22:59:41 GMT -5
the only reason I bothered posting in this thread was because you were going on about people not voting, trying to guilt trip them into voting, I replied to say why I didn't; not out of laziness. Why should I help something I don't like that makes no sense (it's not just the frankenstein side of it, I don't like any of how MXT is going and want no real part of it tbh), because it means that unpopular stuff will become as prominent as the popular, I like the normal micro shows and I try and vote on them(sometimes I forget or never get round to it) but I want those to continue, I have no interest in seeing this continue after seeing how it went last season and how it's going this season. If you wanna do something and others do too that's fine but don't bitch at people because they didn't necessarily like it too, I'm not gonna go around attacking any micro maker that doesn't join this site, I don't see why I have to contribute to this to keep this board alive AFAIC the shows such as MS13, MS14 etc. are keeping the board alive and I contribute to those, I only replied to say that lack of votes wasn't necessarily out of laziness, because that's not what stopped me from voting on this, I'm not stopping you from continuing this if you want to but you cant pressure people into voting if they dont like it, it seems pretty silly that you made a competition where the majority of people interested were inelligible to vote. You can't force popularity. You still make no sense with what you are saying. Sure, you don't like frankensteins. Thats ONE little contest that was meant to be over in a few days, and lead into the real matches. Who said anything about keeping the boards alive? I simply said that this competition was aimed at helping people, and I can understand what TC said, about not being able to reply properly. But simple seeing the contest and ignoring it is fucking stupid. I guess I was a fool to think the creator of the site would want to help more activities. Oh well. The point is that I have no interest in seeing this continue to any other stage, which is why I didn't vote. I wasn't planning on voicing any sort of protest or anything because I don't care if other people want this to continue, the only reason I replied is because I was annoyed at you complaining about people not voting. The only people that should "help" activities is the people who want to I don't want to help MXT as I don't like how it's executed. I shouldn't have replied to this thread but I figured it'd be better to give a reason other than laziness because there's a reason I didn't vote and it's not because I was too lazy too.
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Post by Hurricane on Apr 25, 2011 23:00:31 GMT -5
THIS ISNT MXT AND YOU DONT KNOW HOW ITS EXECUTED, ITS A NEW SHOW THAT HASNT HAPPENED BEFORE!
I figure if I repeat it for the 3rd time using capitals, you might grasp it.
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Post by Hurricane on Apr 25, 2011 23:09:12 GMT -5
I really don't see why you are being a douche about this. Sure, you've said you don't like frankensteins, which is fair enough. It's as if you think this is "National Frankenstein Federation" or something though, when it's not. The frankenstein was a one time thing to get everyone into the competition, and just start it off. Do you not want us to help people get better? That's what this is aimed at. You say you don't like the execution, when its COMPLETELY different to MXT, even though you are apparantly blind and keep referring to it as MXT. It's a new show, how do you know the execution? You know very little about it, apparantly.
And then on top of that you complain about me trying to get people to vote? What? Are you mentally challenged? Believe it or not, SOME admins do help the board, and try to keep it active. Remember when Obama was rallying to become President, how he had compaigns and posters and whatnot? Yeah, thats called encouragement. He didn't just say "ah, those who want to vote will vote". Thats stupid.
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Post by MJH on Apr 25, 2011 23:14:37 GMT -5
THIS ISNT MXT AND YOU DONT KNOW HOW ITS EXECUTED, ITS A NEW SHOW THAT HASNT HAPPENED BEFORE! I figure if I repeat it for the 3rd time using capitals, you might grasp it. fine whatever Ultimate microer, I don't like the idea of team competitions, but that doesn't matter what I think because I'm not involved which is the point I'm not stopping you doing this but I don't think that if I choose not to be involved that it should be a problem that I don't vote I don't think people should be expected to be involved with things they don't want to. I just decided to post why I didnt want to be involved. If I don't like a tv show I'm not gonna watch it same principle applies here, like I've said the only reason I replied is coz I didn't like the whining about not voting because people didn't necessarily do what you wanted them to do. the announcements and bumping are encouragement but the bitching about lack of votes and listing people who should've voted is whining. I wasn't pissed that you made sure everyone saw this etc. I was pissed because you listed people's names and got angry at people not voting.
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Post by Hurricane on Apr 25, 2011 23:27:41 GMT -5
Yeah, because asking somebody to take 2 minutes to reply to a thread that will enable a competition to continue is inhumane.
It's just ridiculous that you can spend 20 minutes arguing about your reasons not to vote and you couldn't just reply in the first hand. You should be trying to help the board, being the creator/admin, rather than be an absolute douche for no reason. You've totally changed from "I dont like frankensteins" to "I dont like the execution" to "I don't like team competitions". All you had to do was type a few numbers into a few spaces and click "post", then wait for the actual MBLs, which you said you are fine voting on.
But nah, fuck it. The principle is you dont like Team Competitions, regardless of whether its been done before or not, so you couldn't POSSIBLY help any of the people involved by spending 2 minutes voting, rather than 20 minutes arguing on why not to vote.
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Post by MJH on Apr 25, 2011 23:38:10 GMT -5
Yeah, because asking somebody to take 2 minutes to reply to a thread that will enable a competition to continue is inhumane. It's just ridiculous that you can spend 20 minutes arguing about your reasons not to vote and you couldn't just reply in the first hand. You should be trying to help the board, being the creator/admin, rather than be an absolute douche for no reason. You've totally changed from "I dont like frankensteins" to "I dont like the execution" to "I don't like team competitions". All you had to do was type a few numbers into a few spaces and click "post", then wait for the actual MBLs, which you said you are fine voting on. But nah, fuck it. The principle is you dont like Team Competitions, regardless of whether its been done before or not, so you couldn't POSSIBLY help any of the people involved by spending 2 minutes voting, rather than 20 minutes arguing on why not to vote. Inhumane? No of course not it's just annoying. I tried to respond at first trying not to be rude but still voicing my criticisms of frankensteins and giving my reasons for not voting. I would've replied to MBL's yes but not because I'd care about team competition etc. just because I like MBL's, I don't like frankensteins and don't like team competitions so I didn't want to vote. I figured that would be fine and the people that wanted to vote and that were encouraged by you would vote, I don't like being listed as one of a few people that should've voted when really I've shown little to no interest in this whole thing, and dont bitch about me not wanting to improve etc. I think we should just have tutorials for everyone and help people if they ask, the competitive drive is the main shows and the titles I don't see the need for something like Ultimate Microer to encourage people to improve, they just need to ask for help and be driven by the prospect of titles etc. I don't like to leave an argument unresolved but I'm afraid I'll have to leave it there, I need sleep and I've said everything I wanted to albeit expressed very poorly. Let's just leave it at "we don't see eye to eye" and be done. Goodnight.
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Post by Hurricane on Apr 25, 2011 23:55:06 GMT -5
Well, I would have understood if you'd seen there was several votes already and it was all fine. But you came on, saw there were no votes days after it was posted, and that we wanted more voted, and you still ignored it and didn't vote until we posted that we cancelled the competition. It was a REAL dick move by you, and not replying at all, rather than only replying when your name was brought into it was fucking stupid. Also, yes the MS shows are competitive, but all replies are basically a sentence or two saying what you like and don't like about the micros, and in most cases, the person that doesnt get a vote doesn't even get mentioned. Match 3. Brilliant Vettel (Looked more like him than Webber, so I'm assuming it's him), Ermolli. Real step up for you. Logos look sick. Ermolli. Theres an example. A lot of people vote like that, and while theres nothing wrong with it, how does that help Next GeneratioN improve? This competition was aimed at helping the individuals a lot more with constant edits, feedback and tutorials to help them, and competitions aimed at improving areas. For example, one of the competitions was to make a head of a specific person to help with getting likenesses, another would have been to remake an old micro (to see improvements), another to make a micro with a pose, another with an accessory, etc. Can you see the difference? It's more personal, and I was spending a lot of time trying to help those on my team, as well as Pepsiguy who JUST missed the sign-ups. Sure, as you pointed out, this can be done on normal shows, but nobody has the time to help EVERYONE with edits/etc. This split it up, and I feel it really would have helped those involved. I understand you dont like Frankensteins, which is what this particular competition was. But this was just an easy little thing to ease people into the competition, to start the MBLs and to just get teams working together. It would not have been hard for you to vote, regardless of whether you like it or not. Deciding you dont like team competitions and thus ignoring it is incredible selfish.
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Post by Next Generation on Apr 26, 2011 2:57:40 GMT -5
I was originally going to focus on Ultimate Microer and have a small break from MS matches until i got better but cant do that now. Im still a very long way from being a competitive microer on MS so if anyone can help me, give me advice and show me some shading techniques etc i would muchly appreciate it
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Post by King of Kings on Apr 26, 2011 4:36:44 GMT -5
I probably could've voted, my bad. I didn't realize this was still open to be honest, I thought it was closed to voting. But there are a lot of things going on at once, it kind of got lost in the shuffle I guess. I don't think you should discontinue it though. It's a cool concept.
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